{"id":7777,"date":"2013-06-25T05:34:52","date_gmt":"2013-06-25T12:34:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/?p=7777"},"modified":"2013-06-29T12:09:19","modified_gmt":"2013-06-29T19:09:19","slug":"2013-06-26-high-current-power-supply-uses-lm317","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/?p=7777","title":{"rendered":"2013-06-25 High Current Power Supply Uses LM317"},"content":{"rendered":"

When I work on a Joule Thief I need a power supply that will go all the way down to zero volts.\u00a0 Kirk pointed me to a high current power supply<\/a> (6 to 8 amp) that puts out zero to 30V and uses a LM317.\u00a0 I have built a power supply that uses a LM317 and goes to zero volts, but it has some very nasty problems (here is a picture of it<\/a>).\u00a0 Kirk’ss power supply uses a different approach to get the output to zero volts.\u00a0 The designer put three diodes in series with the output of the LM317 to drop the voltage before it gets to the two power transistors.<\/p>\n

I believe that every power supply should include the D6 and D10.\u00a0 These protect the power supply.\u00a0 C8 and C9 reduce the output impedance.\u00a0 The fuse in the output protects the PS from overcurrent.\u00a0 But I think the fuse should come before C8, not after.<\/p>\n

Deficiencies<\/h3>\n

There are some deficiencies, one serious.\u00a0 I think t he two 4700 uF filter caps at the output of the bridge are not enough to give good filtering at 6 to 8 amps.\u00a0 Somewhere way back in time I read that a good rule of thumb is you need 8300 uF for each amp of current.\u00a0 But that may have applied to audio amplifiers, not regulated power supplies.\u00a0 I would add at least two more.<\/p>\n

Another is that at very low voltage and very high current output, the power transistors have to dissipate over 150 watts, so a very large heatsink is required.\u00a0 The power transformer secondary has a center tap, and it would be simple to add a range switch that uses only half the secondary when the PS is on the low voltage range.\u00a0 This would cut the dissipation in half.<\/p>\n

The most serious deficiency is the output is open loop – there is no feedback to keep the output equal to the output of the LM317, which is capable of very good regulation.\u00a0 As the current changes from 0 to 6 or 8 amps, the voltage drop across the three diodes, the transistors and the two 0.1 ohm resistors could add up to a volt or more.\u00a0 The drop across the two 0.1 ohm resistors will be 0.4 volts at max current.\u00a0 These drops are not compensated by the LM317, so this power supply does not have good regulation.\u00a0 And this is especially true at low voltages, where the regulation may vary from 3V at no load to 2V at full load.\u00a0 That’s a 50 percent loss.<\/p>\n

Second PS<\/h3>\n

The second power supply link that Kirk sent<\/a> is similar to the first one above.\u00a0 It uses six 2N3055 power transistors in parallel for a huge amount of current – up to 20 amps.\u00a0 It also is open loop – the output will vary depending on the load.<\/p>\n

Oh, one more thing<\/strong> – I forgot to mention another very big gotcha.\u00a0 Both of these power supplies use a power transformer that is very expensive.\u00a0 Mouser wants more than sixty dollars for a 24VAC, 10 amp transformer, and that doesn’t include the shipping cost – they’re very heavy.\u00a0 About the only solution for the average experimenter is to modify a MOT (microwave oven transformer), by removing the secondary wire and then rewinding it with some heavy copper wire.\u00a0 It shouldn’t take that many turns.\u00a0 There is more info on MOTs online, so check to see how others have done it.<\/p>\n

IP ‘borrowing’<\/strong> – Also, there are some electronics websites that plagiarize other electronics websites.\u00a0 Down in the lower right corner of the schematic you will see qsl.net\/ON6MU which is where this schematic apparently originated, but the URL says electronics-diy.com.\u00a0 I am not accusing this website of plagiarism ( ON6MU could’ve given permission), but there are many electronics websites that steal the schematics of other websites, put their name on it, and offer it as if it was their original schematic.\u00a0 I have often seen newer websites that have schematics identical to websites that have been online for more than a decade and the newer website has erased the original name from the schematic, and put their own name on it.\u00a0 I vote with my feet: I don’t patronize these websites when they come up in a search.\u00a0 These websites depend on your eyeballs to sell the adverts that are ever present, and the more hits they get, the more they make.\u00a0 So please don’t patronize them once you have found out about their shady reputation.<\/p>\n

The second link has the website as a ‘watermark’ across the whole schematic.\u00a0 They put this on the schematics to try to prevent others from stealing their schematic.\u00a0 Problem is it’s very easy to remove – takes me less than a minute to change the contrast in Irfanview and eliminate the watermark.\u00a0 Funny thing though.\u00a0 I’ve found that the websites that try to protect their images with watermarks are most often the ones that have stolen the schematics of others.<\/p>\n

Another reason to avoid these websites is once they make the copy of the original, any later additions or corrections are lost, so if you use the copy rather than the original. you may be getting an inferior copy with errors or omissions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

When I work on a Joule Thief I need a power supply that will go all the way down to zero volts.\u00a0 Kirk pointed me to a high current power supply (6 to 8 amp) that puts out zero to 30V and uses a LM317.\u00a0 I have built a power supply that uses a LM317 <\/p>\n

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