{"id":7621,"date":"2013-06-14T18:53:51","date_gmt":"2013-06-15T01:53:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/?p=7621"},"modified":"2013-06-21T09:14:39","modified_gmt":"2013-06-21T16:14:39","slug":"2013-06-14-led-corn-cob-light-on-ebay","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/?p=7621","title":{"rendered":"2013-06-14 LED “Corn Cob” Light on eBay"},"content":{"rendered":"

I found some LED lights on eBay<\/strong><\/a> for under 6 dollars U.S. with free shipping.\u00a0 They’re shipped from Hong Kong, so it will take a few weeks to get here.\u00a0 They said sometime around the 4th of July.\u00a0 Wow!\u00a0 Instead of lighting up firecrackers, I’ll be lighting up LEDs!!\u00a0 They call these corn cob lights because, well, they look like a corn cob.<\/p>\n

Speculation… (skip down to the update for the real truth)<\/h3>\n

As can be read in the link, they have 44 LEDs, so if all of them are in series, the total voltage would be 44 times 3.2 volts, or 140.8 volts.\u00a0 This would be fine, since when 120VAC is rectified and filtered, the voltage comes to 120VAC times 1.31, or about 169 volts DC.\u00a0 There would need to be a series resistor to drop the 28 volts difference.\u00a0 Assuming that the LED current is 20 mA, that would be 1400 ohms.\u00a0 However, if there is a capacitor in series with the LEDs, the voltage drop can be across the capacitor.\u00a0 This also reduces the heat dissipation in the light bulb because the capacitive reactance is not resistive, it’s reactive.<\/p>\n

However, another inexpensive LED light that I have opened up has a switching power supply to give about 30 volts to the LEDs. The LEDs are not all connected in series, but in series-parallel.\u00a0 So I cannot be certain until I receive the LED lights and examine them more closely.\u00a0 That’s another way of saying that I’ll have\u00a0 to take one apart to see.\u00a0 Heh-heh.<\/p>\n

I looked at the pictures in the link, and I saw that there were six sides, each with a flat panel of 6 LEDs, plus 8 more LEDs on the top end, for a total of 44 LEDs.\u00a0 This 44 number seems to limit the number of possible combinations.\u00a0 These could be divided up into two\u00a0 series strings of 22 LEDs each, with both strings in parallel.\u00a0 The division would be three panels of 6 LEDs each, plus four of the 8 top end LEDs.\u00a0 Thus 22 LEDs times 3.2V per LED would be 70.4 volts DC.\u00a0 I cannot see how it could be divided up into four series strings of 11 LEDs each, because it would require part of a panel, and that would make it much more difficult.\u00a0 I’m not saying it can’t be done, however it’s difficult from a wiring perspective.\u00a0 Another would be 6 panels of 6 LEDs each, and 6 of the 8 LEDs on the top, for a total of 42 LEDs.\u00a0 But the remaining two LEDs would not be included, so this does not seem to be a possible combination.<\/p>\n

Another factor that’s in favor of all 44 LEDs in series is that this does not require any active devices.\u00a0 All that’s required is to rectify, filter and limit the current.\u00a0 This is very simple and very cheap, too.\u00a0 And since the lights are very cheap, it’s a strong indicator of this configuration<\/p>\n

Ok, so it seems that easiest one would be all of the 44 LEDs in series.\u00a0 The circuit that I\u00a0 come up with is a capacitor in series with the AC input of a bridge rectifier.\u00a0 After the bridge would be a filter capacitor, maybe 22 or 47 uF at 200VDC.\u00a0 Then the 44 LEDs would be in series across the filter capacitor.\u00a0 What would value the series capacitor be?<\/p>\n

Earlier I gave the value of 1400 ohms.\u00a0 At 60 Hz, I calculated that it would be 1.895 microfarads.\u00a0 But a capacitor rated that value at 250 volts AC, and rated X2 for connection across the AC line, would be very expensive.\u00a0 Eliminating the X2 rating would save money, but it would be less safe.\u00a0 The inexpensive night lights and similar AC powered devices do this all the time.\u00a0 But still, the 1.9 uF capacitor would be large and somewhat expensive.\u00a0 BTW, there usually is a high value ‘bleeder’ resistor – like 470k – across the capacitors to bleed away the charge when it’s not plugged in.<\/p>\n

Another possible way to power the LEDs is with a transformer.\u00a0 If the panels had their LEDs divided onto 11 groups of 4 LEDs in series, and these 11 were connected in parallel, the voltage across them would be about 3.2V times 4 or 12.8 volts, and 11 times .02 amps would be .220 A or 220 mA.\u00a0 This would be easily obtainable with a small transformer, rectifier and filter capacitor.\u00a0 But there would (or should) be 11 current limiting resistors.<\/p>\n

Many of the LED lights are not dimmable.\u00a0 The switching power supply they use tends to regulate the voltage, and this defeats the dimmer.\u00a0 The complex waveform caused by the dimmer could defeat the current limiting capacitor and cause problems.<\/p>\n

The surface mount LEDs that I see in these lights are mounted on a circuit board that is laminated to a flat sheet of aluminum. and the aluminum gets quite warm when it’s lit.\u00a0 The first thing that I should do is measure the LED current.\u00a0 I suspect that the current is more than 20 milliamps.\u00a0 So far I’ve done a lot of speculation but I’ll have to wait until I see the guts to confirm any of this speculation.<\/p>\n

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Update June 19<\/strong> – I received the corncob lights today.\u00a0 I was wrong: they shipped from New Jersey so it took only five days.\u00a0 I put one into the desk lamp and observed that it was truly a bright white – 6000 to 6500 degrees CCT acording to the label on the box.\u00a0 I also observed that it did not put out as much light as the 40W Cree LED light I’ve been using.<\/p>\n

I examined the thin line where the top contacts the sides.\u00a0 While grasping the body, I pushed on the top with my thumb, and the whole top popped off.\u00a0 Didn’t take hardly any effort – very little glue, mostly just a friction fit.\u00a0 I was surprised at the number of wires inside (see the first photo).\u00a0 None of the wires I saw were color coded – they were all white.\u00a0 I looked down inside and I see two capacitors but I don’t see any inductors or other small parts.<\/p>\n

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One of the first things I noticed was that there was almost no metal at all in this LED light.\u00a0 No fins, no heatsinks, no PC boards laminated onto aluminum to keep the LEDs cool.\u00a0 This means that the light is likely to overheat due to the LEDs getting very hot.<\/p>\n

Four of the 6 side boards with 6 LEDs slid out freely when I pushed on them, but two were stuck.\u00a0 I examined them closer, and found that they had applied a drop of plastic solvent (acetone?) or super glue to two points where the top snapped into the base.\u00a0 Some of the glue got onto the two stuck boards, so I had to pry on them to crack loose the board from the base.\u00a0 Once I had all six boards loose, everything slid out easily, including the circuit board inside (see the second photo).<\/p>\n

The circuit is simple.\u00a0 The AC comes in, one lead from the center contact of the screw base goes to the two large rust red colored capacitors, which are connected in parallel.\u00a0 The larger is 2.2 uF 400V, the smaller is 1.5 uF, 250V.\u00a0 The other wire from the threaded contact goes directly to the small black bridge rectifier next to the larger rust red capacitor.\u00a0 These two capacitors act as a current limiter.\u00a0 The output of the bridge rectifier goes to the black capacitor, which is 4.7 uF, 400VDC.\u00a0 The rectified, filtered and current limited DC at the right end of the board goes to two strings of LEDs connected in parallel.\u00a0 Each string consist of three of the 6 LED boards connected in series, and half of the 8 LEDs on the top.\u00a0 Below the smaller capacitor there is a 560k 1\/4 watt resistor that discharges the capacitors when the light is not being powered.<\/p>\n

WARNING!\u00a0 DANGER!<\/h2>\n

In the first photo I put three red arrows where the top has bare exposed wires that can be touched easily.\u00a0 Actually, all of the LEDs have bare leads that can be touched.\u00a0 These may have the AC line voltage on them.\u00a0 Many of the lamps I own use a two prong power plug, which can be inserted either way into the wall socket.\u00a0 This means that the either the center contact or the threaded contact of the screw-in base can have 120VAC on it.\u00a0 Depending on which way the lamp is plugged in, the base wire connected to the bridge rectifier could be 120VAC or neutral.\u00a0 If it is 120VAC, high voltage could be on those bare wires on the top.\u00a0 If you’re standing on a cement floor or in the kitchen or bathroom and touch the faucet and the bare wires, you will most likely get shocked.<\/p>\n

On most of the CFL lights that I’ve disassembled, I see a 1 ohm metal film fusible resistor between the base contact and the circuit board.\u00a0 If something shorts out, the fusible resistor opens and protects the circuit from overheating and possible fire.\u00a0 This LED light HAS NO resistor or fuse for protection.\u00a0 This is inexcusable.\u00a0 All that they would need to do is make the PC board wire from the AC to the capacitor very narrow so that it would act like a fuse and open if the current became excessive.\u00a0 If the bare wires touch something that is grounded, the full AC line voltage could be across the bridge rectifier.\u00a0 This high current could cause a fire.\u00a0 So what we have here is a LED light that is both a SHOCK and FIRE HAZARD.\u00a0 This is a WARNING!<\/p>\n

I measured the voltage from the three bare wires on the top to the ground pin of the power outlet.\u00a0 I got about 50.4 volts AC, which may not be deadly, but is dangerous and also could be a fire hazard.<\/p>\n

Update Jun 20<\/strong> – I am continuing this blog with the blog dated June 17th<\/strong><\/a>.\u00a0 I discuss the results I got when running the corncob LED light at various AC line voltages.<\/p>\n

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I found some LED lights on eBay for under 6 dollars U.S. with free shipping.\u00a0 They’re shipped from Hong Kong, so it will take a few weeks to get here.\u00a0 They said sometime around the 4th of July.\u00a0 Wow!\u00a0 Instead of lighting up firecrackers, I’ll be lighting up LEDs!!\u00a0 They call these corn cob lights <\/p>\n

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