{"id":19502,"date":"2023-12-05T10:06:44","date_gmt":"2023-12-05T18:06:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/?p=19502"},"modified":"2023-12-06T10:25:57","modified_gmt":"2023-12-06T18:25:57","slug":"2023-12-05-1500-pf-capacitors-age-down-in-value-out-of-tolerance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/?p=19502","title":{"rendered":"2023-12-05 1500 pF Capacitors &#8220;Age Down&#8221; In Value &#8211; Out Of Tolerance?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"526\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/20231205_0943423-526x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-19504\" srcset=\"https:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/20231205_0943423-526x1024.jpg 526w, https:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/20231205_0943423-154x300.jpg 154w, https:\/\/rustybolt.info\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/20231205_0943423.jpg 718w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 526px) 100vw, 526px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Green ceramic disk capacitor marked 152 or 1500 pF, 500Volts.  Measured 6, all were between 1280 and 1340 pF.  Are they out of tolerance?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>James Chessman gave me permission to use his comment.<br \/><br \/>&#8220;&#8221;&#8221;I have encountered a phenomenon called &#8220;age-down&#8221; in ceramic capacitors tested on ICT (In-Circuit Test) machines.  I was working for a circuit-board manufacturer, developing new test sets.  I was seeing these caps consistently read high in new tests.  And, pulling them out of the circuit they are indeed on the high side of their tolerance range &#8211; even to the point of being out-of-tolerance.  So I keep bumping up the test windows after verifying that they really are the correct parts.<br \/><br \/>A couple of months later, we are running boards and returns start coming back.  Lo and behold, the **same capacitors** are reading low.  Out-of-circuit, they read high. What gives?<br \/><br \/>Heat.  These devices are temperature-dependent.  They are ceramic, manufacture involves firing them in a kiln.  That&#8217;s a lot of heat.  They are **intentionally** made to be on the high end of their tolerance range because as they settle down, their values drop.  It is called &#8220;age-down&#8221; and it takes weeks or months, far longer than just the thermal cool-down time.<br \/><br \/>Then we put them on boards.  This involves heating them up &#8211; either in wave-solder or reflow.  Either way, they get toasty and this resets the age-down curve. They are now on the high side of their range and they begin the age-down process again.<br \/><br \/>Boards that came back for returns had capacitors that had aged back down.  If we pulled one off the board, we did it with a soldering iron &#8211; heat again!  Reset the age-down curve again.<br \/><br \/>As suggested above, those are probably 20% parts. The readings you are getting are within tolerance for 1500 pF +\/-20% parts &#8211; low side to be sure but still in the window.  And if they have been sitting around a while, they have &#8220;aged down&#8221;. &#8220;&#8221;&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>James Chessman gave me permission to use his comment. &#8220;&#8221;&#8221;I have encountered a phenomenon called &#8220;age-down&#8221; in ceramic capacitors tested on ICT (In-Circuit Test) machines. I was working for a circuit-board manufacturer, developing new test sets. I was seeing these caps consistently read high in new tests. 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